heard a knock. Unfortunately I couldn’t go to attend that service. But they came in, because the door was not locked. So they came in. So I was in bed. (Question: Who was they?)The soldiers with the red berets. I don’t know which battalion is that one, I don’t know. But they put red berets. So they came in and pulled off my blankets and said “get out of the bed. The blankets and the pillows are the things you have taken from the shops”. I said, But I’m not sick, I didn’t go anywhere, and I was in hospital yesterday. They said, “ No, you are lying, Wake up and show us the cupboards and the wardrobes”. So I had the receipts, you know, so each time I usually keep my receipts, so that I know my budget for the next month. So I showed them and they said okay, “you must go back”. They said, “ I don’t think you are sick, maybe you don’t want us to beat you because of the goods you have stolen from the shops”. So I said okay. Then they went. Those ones went and I went to bed. Then at about 10 the same day came another group of them. They were soldiers again. But there were about — soldiers and 2 policemen, in the evening. So they said, ‘We want the things you have taken from the shops”. So I said , I didn’t go to the shops. So they gave me the other name of somebody. They said, “ We were told that this man is straying here and he has been to the shops”. I said, It’s only me and my son stays here. And my son is here, he was sleeping in his bedroom. And now he’s 12. So I don’t know if he’s the one you are looking for. They said “No, he’s not the one, we are looking for a big man”. I said, Nobody is staying here”. But they wanted to beat me . So I said, who was he, or what happened? They said, “nothing”, so they woke up my child. They said, “ How many of you are staying here”. He said, “Only me and my mother who are staying here. My brother is at school”. They were pushing him and holding his collar saying, “tell us, tell us, we want to beat him” . I said, “I said you must’s beat my son because he is going to school. You are going to disturb him. He’s writing this year, I don’t want you to beat my son”. So they said ,”You mustn’t tell us what to do because we are the people who are asking thing s and we are going to beat this one”. So I said started pushing the solider out, then to harassing son. I was so scarred I didn’t want them to harass my son . So they said, “Okay”. So the other policemen said to the soldier, “No , leave this one, talk to the mother”. I just wanted to explain that I wasn’t there either. My son was there but he was at school. And what they told me is he came early because my son is afraid. He doesn’t want …… he’s afraid of violence. So he was at home. But they said, “No, you tell us the truth. We want the thieves you took from the shops”. So I took 5 litres of cooking oil and said that was the one which was taken. I said, “If you want you can take it”. So the police took the cooking oil to the car. But I don’t know what they discussed because later on they brought the cooking oil back. They said, “You can have it, and tomorrow we are coming back you can give us any other information”. The following day again, Wednesday, they came again. But a different group also. But they were about 15 now, They were walking around harassing all the people. Because the army have been dragging people, taking them away, questioning them and searching the houses. I think there was one house where they told me they come to this little girl and they said, “Have you eaten meat this week?” And the little 6 or 7 year old girl, and she said, “yes yesterday”. And then they decided that the family had stolen the meat cause … and so they drive the mother away. And accursed her of looting from the shops. And they were really most evasive, the army. Again overtime I tried to exit…… cause also given the p… to the edge, saying, “How did you get in?” One of our students, saw an old man with a new hat coming off a bus. They made the man take the hat off and jump on top of it. And for ages. I saw somebody with a jacket being made to roll on the ground in the jacket, in the dirt. And obviously he hadn’t stolen the jacket although they were trying to get him to confess. Generally we were advised we were white, to stay out of the townships. So, my visits, were mainly to the sick and the dying, The whole I said to the army, at one stage, I said to the army, “you know, you are trainees to fight the enemy, these people are not your enemy. They are your own people”. But they were, they were like people hungry for action. They‘ve got the DRC now, but they had no action then. They were very tough with people. There was teargassing again that day as well out near the shops, and the Tafara shops as well. We had only thought it was the Mabvuku shops but it Tafara shops were an awful